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Name: dattaswami •
Title: Human form of Lord is the correct preacher of spiritual know •
Date posted: 05/25/07 23:33
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Q: Human form of Lord is the correct preacher of spiritual knowledge
Satguru is the preacher of spiritual knowledge and is the human form of the God. God is hidden in Him like the current in the live wire. God is indicated by the word Hiranya (gold) which means the best and most precious. Hiranya garbha is the name of Brahma who is the first spiritual preacher or first satguru. He is the energetic form charged by the hidden God, given (Datta) to angels. He is the first energetic human form of God given to the creation for the correct spiritual guidance.
Today all the false spiritual preachers also deserve the name of Hiranya garbha. This word also means that the gold is hidden in their stomachs. This means that they are simply swallowing the money for preaching the false spiritual knowledge. The real Satguru can be compared to the abode of snake, which is worshipped by Hindus who pour milk in it. If the snake hidden in it comes out, the devotees will run away.
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Name: JMD •
Date: 05/26/07 19:40 |
A: "Today all the false spiritual preachers also deserve the name of Hiranya garbha"
well, ok then, now we know who you really are ! oh great one Hiranya garbha - why does that word make me think of garbage? hmmm..must be some reason... I'll meditate on it later.
Have a nice day!
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Name: MAriAnna72 •
Date: 05/26/07 19:59 |
A: Dattawami, is the snake God the Lord Vishnu? Is his birthday in the fall?
I think it is equivilent in Western society to Leo, the lion. I believe Jesus/Yeshua was the Lion of the tribe of Judah, born in August.
Why do they give the serpent milk? Is Honey a part of Hindu too?
Americans use the term milk and honey. It was also important food to Israel.
The leo lion is a sign of fire. It reminds me of Gold, which you say is "Hiryana." the best and most precious?"
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Name: MAriAnna72 •
Date: 05/26/07 20:04 |
A: Also, Dattaswami,
Is it better to be poor, or to be rich? Is it path to start off in the middle?
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Name: JMD •
Date: 05/26/07 20:30 |
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A: It is better to be poor - and to also be rich, it's not about either/or - for to be poor is to be rich, and to be rich is to be poor.
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Name: MAriAnna72 •
Date: 05/26/07 20:45 |
A: JMD, If I am poor, what do I have to give to the poor? If one lost all, and I have no shirt, nor does my neighbor, than what do I have to give?
Do you think Jesus was middle class, poor, and rich?
If I am poor, I feel anger to the rich, and I do not want to dislike, or be jealous of anyone.
How was Jesus able to do a three year ministry if he didnt work?
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Name: Panluna •
Date: 05/27/07 11:41 |
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A: Life styles were different in those days.Many people bartered(traded for services or goods) or caught or raised their own food.Money was not the top priority with Jesus's group.They also made their own clothing.The world population was smaller at that time so it was easier economically than it would be today".Look upon the lilies of the field!They neither toil nor reap." It's probably why the Hippie culture related to it.
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Name: Ladyhawk •
Date: 05/27/07 12:33 |
A: MAriAnna,
Welcome! I think, in regards to your question 'If I am poor, what do I have to give to the poor?' the answer is: yourself. If you are kind and helpful to your neighbors, look out as you can for others, you are giving in great measure.
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Name: Panluna •
Date: 05/27/07 18:04 |
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A: Good answer,Ladyhawk.But there is nothing wrong with material wealth as long as it is earned honestly and shared.But the best wealth is a spiritual one.We spend more time in the after-life than we do here on Earth .Make the most of your days and remember:" each day is the first step taken towards the rest of my life" (paraphrase of a popular quote--I don't remember who said it).
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Name: JMD •
Date: 05/29/07 4:19 |
A: The more material wealth you have, the more your spiritual life will suffer - be in 'poverty'. The less material wealth, the richer your spiritual life; the kingdom 'within.'
:D
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Name: Panluna •
Date: 05/29/07 12:18 |
A: If you have too much stuff then you're stuck cleaning it and worrying about.No time for spiritual thoughts
Panluna's wise sayings---proverbs #1
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Name: dattaswami •
Date: 05/29/07 12:48 |
A: MAriAnna72;
The word karma in the case of a human being means the work done to earn money, which is essential for his food and offering the food to the guest. Money required for the self and his family is called ‘sareera yatra’ in Gita. Money required to prepare food to offer to the guest is called ‘yajna karma’. The world karma in Gita was used in these two meanings in the context of a human being (sareera yatra pichate, yajnah karma samudbhavah). Therefore the fruit of the work means only money. The first mantra of the first Upanishad speaks about enjoyment and sacrifice of money (kasyasvit dhanam). The mantra says that the entire creation is the wealth of the Lord and one should store the money for his minimum enjoyment and the rest should be sacrificed to the Lord who comes in the human form for His mission to uplift this world. The second mantra says that one should continuously work and earn. Vasista said that money is the root of all this worldly family bonds (Dhanamulamidam jagat). When money is absent all the family members will leave you. All the family members and relatives approach you only due to money just like the frogs are present in the tank when it is full of water. The ‘Srichakram’ means the wheel that surrounds the money. Therefore when the sacrifice of money comes into the picture, all the fraud devotees will run away because in their hearts the attraction to the family bonds is existing as solidified darkness.
Only the true devotees will stand, in whose hearts the darkness is removed and the light of divine knowledge exists. The Lord came in human form and tested ‘Saktuprasta’ in the sacrifice of the food, which is another form of money. In draught he could secure a little flour and he was fasting for the past ten days. He was not tested in any other way of words and mind (japa, parayana, dhyana etc.). A real devotee will stand in this root test and this is the real fire test. If the bond with the money is cut, all the worldly bonds are cut, since money is the root of this whole ‘samsara’. The fraud devotees want to escape this test and therefore interpreted the ‘karmaphala’ as the fruit of prayers, japa, parayana, dhyana etc. The eyes in this world not at all see such fruit. Therefore such fruit of work done by words and mind is unreal. There is no difficulty to sacrifice such unreal fruit. Therefore they misinterpreted the ‘karmaphalatyaga’ as leaving a spoon of water in the plate after doing such work by words and mind. Some people have fooled the ignorant people by doing such works and get the ‘Gurudakshina’. They are selling the unreal fruit for the real money, by promising that the fruits of their sins will be removed and results of good deeds, which were not done, will be attained.
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Name: dattaswami •
Date: 05/29/07 12:49 |
A: MAriAnna72;
In the very beginning itself (second Adhyaya) Gita says that the fruit of the work must be sacrificed (Karmajam Buddhi Yuktahi Phalam Tyaktva Maneeshinah). This means that realized scholars sacrifice the fruit of the work. Gita keeps sacrifice of the fruit of the work on the top most level (Dhyanath Karma Phala Tyagah). According to Veda sacrifice of fruit of work means sacrifice of money only (Dhanena Tyagenaike). Karma Phalam means self-earned money with which the man is more attached. Reason for the inability to do the sacrifice of fruit of work (Karma Phala Tyaga) is the selfish ambition for the fruit of the work. Therefore if the selfish ambition is removed, the fruit of the work can be easily sacrificed. It is funny to enjoy the fruit of work and say that he has no ambition for the fruit of the work. In such case you must also enjoy the fruit of your sin in the hell i.e., cutting of your muscles by knife etc., without any selfish ambition. Saktuprastha was tested in the sacrifice of the fruit of the work, which alone can prove the lack of selfish ambition for the fruit of the work. If one says that he has sacrificed the ambition for the fruit of the work and yet, enjoys the fruit of work is trying to fool the author of Gita. In turn the Lord will fool him in the hell.
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Name: dattaswami •
Date: 05/29/07 12:52 |
A: MAriAnna72 ;
A rich man can never purchase the Lord because the Lord sees the percentage of the money he sacrifices out of the total amount possesses by him. A person having billion dollar may sacrifice thousands of dollar. He sacrificed only ten percent of his money. But a poor fellow having 10 dollar sacrificed 5 dollar, which is equal to 50 per cent. The poor man is greater than that rich man is. For any person to sacrifice 5 dollar is easier than thoudands of dollar. Therefore the poor man can easily purchase the God than the rich man. The importance of sacrifice of money is stressed by Veda (Dhanena Tyagena). The first mantra of the first Upanishad says that the entire world is the money of the Lord and one has to return back the extra stored money to the Lord. The second mantra says that you should constantly work and earn money, you can keep the minimum required and sacrifice the extra stored money to the Lord. You should not be lazy without doing work, after earning the minimum required money. Thus Veda is encouraging the constant work to earn the money. Veda discourages only storing of extra-earned money.
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Name: Panluna •
Date: 05/29/07 14:50 |
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A: I believe that the Spirit in any form likes loves spiritual fruit.Materialism belongs to the realm of earth.Render unto Spirit that which belongs to it and render unto the real world that which belongs to it.The original phrase is :"Render unto God that which is His/Hers and render unto Ceasar that which is his." from the NT " Man cannot live by bread alone.."and a rich person can do as many good deeds as a poor person--charity fundraisers,donations and contributions to various venues.A poor person might give the shirt off its back but so can a rich person.It isn't the amount in percentage a person gives--it's the purpose and the meaning of the gift that counts.Does it make sense to you for a poor person to give away half the food money when there is a family to feed?A rich person is in a better financial position.And there is nothing wrong with being rich or poor--it's what one does with one's life that counts and makes the difference.
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Name: MAriAnna72 •
Date: 05/29/07 15:34 |
A: Dattawwami, and Panluna.
I dont like my jealousy in my heart, and my anger towards the rich. I would like to be rich to have my feelings taken away. I do not want to dislike anyone. I want to know that I will still love God, even if I was rich. I need to know!! I need to know my true self, for I feel it is easy to believe in God when you are in Poverty like I. I have been very poor since becoming an adult.
I want to be tested to know who I truly am.
What do you both think? I pray about this often.
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Name: Panluna •
Date: 05/29/07 18:27 |
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A: Loving God doesn't cost a cent.It is your spiritual connection within your heart that sees the Divine light clearly ...and your devotion.May you find peace.
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