Name:Krystyna •
Title: Has anyone else noticed.... •
Date posted: 03/12/07 23:11
Q: ...the mistakes on some of the articles on this website?
Name:Krystyna •
Date: 03/13/07 10:49
A: Hmmmm....no one has answered this. Does that mean that none of you have read the articles on this website or simply that you don't know enough to know that there are some pretty fundamental mistakes in their presentation of the information on this website? (and I'm NOT talking about the information presented on this forum).
Name:Perceptions •
Date: 03/13/07 20:35
A: So let's see what are you hiding and what you want everyone to take NOTICE of?
Name:Krystyna •
Date: 03/14/07 0:16
A: I'm not hiding anything. The articles are under the "back to basics" link you see on the left side of the screen.
Name:gnotcivulf •
Date: 03/14/07 2:47
A: I am intrigued... please, Krystyna, sample us some of these mistakes. I've only read the book and missed the broadcast. (yes, I suck... more so since I didn't record it!!!) Also, I've read so many takes on these subject matters by different authors that I would like to know what you consider mistakes (I honestly mean that with sincere respect and curiosity).
Name:Krystyna •
Date: 03/14/07 12:21
A: Gnotcivulf,
I didn't get to watch the broadcast either as I was out of town. But, when I heard about the show, I came to this site to read about it. I wanted to read the "Back to Basics" section first, because I wanted to understand the context on which the people who made the "documentary" staked their claims. So I read the articles there & when I did I found some pretty goofy mistakes. Here's a couple of examples:
In an article called "Ebionites" it says the following;
"The Ebionites were an early Jewish sect, and its followers were amongst the earliest supporters of Jesus Christ. The term itself is Hebrew for "the Poor Ones," which is what Jesus named them in Isaiah 66: 22. "
The problem with this statement is that Jesus didn't name anything in Isaiah 66:22, because the book of Isaiah was written before Jesus was even born.
Here's another one:
"The Ebionites flourished during the years 30 to 80 C.E., the same period as the Nazarenes. In fact, many conflate the two into one movement called the Ebionite/Nazarene movement or Yachad, a Hebrew word meaning "together." It does seem clear, however, that this Judeo-Christian sect did officially break from its supposed predecessors after the second century B.C.E. Religious scholars assert that this was partly a product of Christianity’s growing rupture from Judaism, resulting in the Roman Catholic Church’s desire to separate the two. "
Here's the problem with this statement; if the Ebionites flourished from 30 to 80 C.E. then how did they break with their predecessors in the 2nd century B.C.E. as the result of Christianity's "growing rupture from Judaism"? Christianity didn't even EXIST in the 2nd century B.C.E., because Jesus wasn't even born at that time, therefore, there would be no Christians. To make matters worse, the above quote contradicts what is written in the article on this site about the Nazarenes. Here's what it says on that page:
"The Nazarenes, an early Judeo-Christian sect, thrived during the years 30-80 C.E, the same period as the Ebionites, and are believed to have been amongst the earliest followers of Jesus. In fact, many scholars assert that both the Ebionites and the Nazarenes comprised one larger movement that did not officially split until the late second century C.E"
See where the contradiction is? In the article on the Nazarenes, they get the date right, but in the corresponding article about the Ebionites they don't.
I also ran across goofy stuff like: Constantine ruled from 306 B.C.E. to 337 (if that were true, Constantine would have been over 600 years old when he died) ...saying that the Essenes flourished from 2nd century B.C.E. until the first century C.E. & then a few paragraphs down it says they were eliminated around the 2nd century B.C.E....saying that the Jewish Revolt was in the 2nd century B.C.E. & then when you take the link, it breaks down the Jewish Revolt into 3 separate revolts ALL with dates in the Common Ear (C.E.) and NO DATES listed BEFORE the common era (B.C.E.) ..and that's just some of them!
Every time I read these articles I find more stuff like that. And in my mind, that begs the question if they could make mistakes like that on such basic stuff, what other mistakes have they made? It's real hard to take people seriously who let such mistakes get through and even harder to believe what they say on this site, because so far, what I've read has been so screwed up. And to top off, did you read the "Terms of Service" disclaimer when you registered to participate on the forums? Here's part of what it says:
"Statements and opinions expressed in our forum, articles and elsewhere on this site are not necessarily those of JesusFamilyTomb.Com and SHOULD NOT BE CONSIDERED FACTS." LOL!
Name:gnotcivulf •
Date: 03/15/07 15:11
A: Krystyna,
Your concerns are valid. As for the "terms of Service" cite, it's funny but pretty standard in discussion boards. It's obviously done to save their collective buttocks from the ramblings of mad posters (such as ourselves ;P ).
The Ebionite-Jesus correlation is curious. I have read 'The Dead Sea Scrolls Uncovered" by Robert Eisenman. His view on the whole "name game" is that Ebionites/ Essenes/ Nazoreans/ etc. are in essence the same single group addressed at different times and places and, most succinctly, by different groups and people (think "one man's terrorist is another man's hero). Doing a cursory search, I found this wikepedia link:
http://en.wikipe-dia.org/wiki/Ebionite
-I- remember that one of the correlations between Jesus and the "Poor Ones" was Jesus' beatitudes, as the Article says (along with similiar citings from other scholars). But, as you pointed out, why the BLATANT error?
Let's look at Isaiah 66:22:
"For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the Lord, so shall your seed and your name remain."
Name:TheNakedBoneHunter •
Date: 03/15/07 16:57
A: VERY IMPORTANT - SEE BELOW - email of JOE ZIAS, March 1, 2007 - CAN SOMEONE VERIFY THIS AS BEING THE GENUINE EMAIL FROM JOE ZIAS, if it is, then this is critical news ( Note: I am not the author of the following excerpt , The Naked Bone Hunter )
Time magazine again reports: "Asbury Theological Seminary professor Ben Witherington, a early Christianity expert who was deeply involved with the James Ossuary, says there are physical reasons to believe it couldn't have originated in the Talpiot plot." Following the lead of Time, I did my own detective work and checked out Ben Witherington's blogspot (see, www.benwitherington.blogspot.com).
Witherington claims: "Joe Zias is a fine archaeologist of long standing and good reputation. He is the person who catalogued the ten ossuaries from the Talpiot tomb, and personally catalogued the tenth ossuary. He worked with Amos Kloner as part of the team who made the original discovery. In two emails this morning to someone I have been talking to he made crystal clear that the tenth ossuary was blank, certainly was not the James ossuary at all despite the assertions of those involved in making the (Vision TV) special. These emails have been sent along to me, and I will let them speak for themselves.
Joe Zias jezias@yahoo.comTo: Subject: Re: Jesus Tomb Sent: Thursday, March 1, 2007 6:02 AM
"Amos Kloner is right as I received and catalogued the objects, the 10th was plain and I put it out in the courtyard with all the rest of the plain ossuaries as was the standard procedure when one has little storage space available. Nothing was stolen nor missing and they were fully aware of this fact. It just didn't fit in with their agenda." Shalom, Joe.
The filmmakers were fully aware that the tenth ossuary in the so-called "Jesus family tomb" was blank, but it didn't fit in with their agenda. So they deliberately misled viewers with a spurious assertion that this was the James ossuary
END OF EXCERPT
CAN SOMEONE CONFIRM THIS WITH JOE ZIAS ?
Name:gnotcivulf •
Date: 03/15/07 22:17
A: Oh, TheNakedBoneHunter, started a thread for you. Just doing my part.
Name:MsGreeneMBA •
Date: 03/20/07 15:02
A: Christians existed before Yoshua was born. Research ancient religions.
Name:Lesil •
Date: 03/20/07 16:16
A: MsGreene, what are your credentials? Are you a theologian?
Name:gnotcivulf •
Date: 03/22/07 13:01
A: MSGreeneMBA, please clarify and how it relates to current discussion.
Name:light •
Date: 03/30/07 0:23
A: If you found typos or mistakes did you use the 'contact us' link to bring it to their attention?
I don't really think these mistakes are so scandalous. Newspapers, published books, web sites, the tickers across the tv screen, credits of shows, etc. are all full of mistakes these days. The skills of editing and proofreading have declined in modern times - probably because everyone is in such a hurry all the time and work is produced so quickly.
I don't think it's any bigger issue than that though.
