Name:dattaswami •
Title: Critizising other Religions •
Date posted: 05/22/07 22:45
Q: Critizising other Religions
The Lord is universal but the human beings in the universe differ in their attitudes. The same single Lord adopts a different procedure in a different region and such different procedure appears as a different religion. A few criticize the Lord of other religion. You are criticizing your own Lord of your own religion. The external behavior of the Lord differs due to different internal and external behaviors of the human beings in this universe.
The external form, dress, language, food habits and culture of human beings differ from one region to the other. Accordingly the external form, dress, food habits, language and culture of the Lord also differ to suit that particular region. The internal Lord and the internal essence of the same Lord is one and the same in His different human incarnations which have come in different regions or religions.
At Thy Lotus Feet His Holiness Sri Dattaswami
Anil Antony
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Universal Spirituality for World Peace
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Name:Shlomo •
Date: 05/22/07 23:39
A: dats a swami,
Gee, You think maybe the fall of Babel created these different cultures through the dispersion of man for his arrogance and idolatry against the one true G_D? There were hundreds of pagan g_ds created by man during this period, in fact Nimrod procalimed himself to be a g_d and developed the first trinitarian system [ three in one (father,mother,son)].
It evolved over a period of time from three to hundreds of g_ds to worship.
For your thoughts are not my thoughts. For your wisdom is not my wisdom, am I mindful of man, do I change? says the L_rd.
Go and learn!.....................................
Name:dattaswami •
Date: 05/23/07 12:34
A: Shlomo;
I & Father Are Same, Son Of God, Messenger Of God
To a deserving devotee, Jesus told He and His father are one and the same. When Jesus saw a devotee who was slightly affected by jealousy and egoism, Jesus came down by one step saying that He was the son of the God. The word son is indicating that He is different from the God but the same spirit is present in both like the same blood in the father and the son. This means that He is different and smaller than the God but at the same time has the same essence. It is like the relationship between the mighty ocean and the tiny water drop. The father is major and the son is minor component. They resemble qualitatively but differ quantitatively. This is the visishta advaita of Ramanuja.
When Jesus met a devotee who is fully bacterialised by jealousy and egoism He told that He was the humble messenger of God. This is the Dvaita of Madhva. Therefore the human incarnation will declare its level based on the level of the receiver. Mohammad told that He is the messenger of the Lord. Thus there is a gradual degradation of spiritual obedience and the gradual growth of jealousy and egoism. Jesus stands as a transition bridge between the Advaita of Krishna and Dvaita of Mohammad.
Name:sam •
Date: 05/28/07 22:07
A: dattaswami ,
You quoted, "I & Father Are Same, Son Of God, Messenger Of God **"
Then you follow it up saying, "Jesus told He and His father are one and THE SAME *".
The LOGIC if you understand it, tells that, if Jesus and God are THE SAME* , then LOGICALLY SPEAKING, or SPEAKING WITH LOGIC, that means JESUS IS GOD, and GOD IS JESUS. (no need for the trinity formula), and I think what I am saying is very simple to understand, because I am using LOGIC not phylosophy.
SO, LOGICALLY SPEAKING, when you said before 'SON OF GOD' , that does not seem right, because that mean also that 'THE SON' at the same time he is the 'SON OF JESUS', in that respect, we can say that "JESUS IS THE SON OF JESUS", also we can say that "GOD CAME BY HIMSELF", what you think?. Do you think that God can be devided?, and if God devided into two then three then he can be devided into an endless numbers, god for eveything, and god every occasion.
And when Jesus said, " He and His father are one and THE SAME", he did not tell them that He is God, and He never ever said that, but that is what the other people translates.
-God sent Him,
"I do not seek my own will, but the will of HIM (GOD) who sent ME"
-He came with a message from God, and it is not His own.
"I can do nothing on My own initiative" Saying that means He is not God.
-And the word that He spoke is not His but the words of God,
"MY TEACHING IS NOT MINE, BUT HIS WHO SENT ME"
-And He prayed.
"And He spent the whole night in PRAYER TO GOD" From the logic point, Can Jesus be God and pray to Himself?.
-GOD ALONE, THE ONE AND ONLY GOD. Was Jesus talking about Himself? then why He should say this, "WHEN YOU LIFT UP THE SON OF MAN, THEN YOU WILL KNOW THAT I AM HE". The son of man came 89 times in the four Gospels, the son of God came first by the DEVIL question, "IF YOU ARE THE SON OF GOD" then by others, "Those who were in the boat....saying you are certainly the son of God".
The word man changed to God, by those who created the trinity and made Jesus God. There were a lot of forgeries done by the churches during the years, and here one example:
John 9:35 in the NASB bible came as "THE SON OF MAN"
John 9:35 in the KJB came as "THE SON OF GOD"
It is a forgery, but some people try philosophically to explain it by saying that they mean the same thing. In Logic & Logically speaking, Man is not God, and God is not Man.
Jesus did not delete the commandments of God, that came to Moses before Him, but he teachs them, and the first commandment is:
#1- YOU SHALL HAVE NO OTHER GODS BEFORE ME." That is the Word of God, and Jesus follow it, and He never claims those are His words.
Reading the words of Jesus, which is the words of the message, and which is the words of God who sent the message and Jesus as messenger ,(as Moses before Him and the commandment of God, as message & messenger) from that, people should understand that when Jesus said, John 10:30 "I and the Father areone", that came after, John 10:29 when Jesus said, "My Father, (He wasn't mentioning Himsel) who has given them to Me, (the words and miracles and everything else, were given to Him, and not His) is greater than all...." That explain clearly that "JESUS AND GODS WORDS ARE ONE". Jesus is not God when He TRULY compare Himself to God,
"Truly, truly, I say to you, a slave is not greater than his master, NOR IS ONE WHI IS SENT (JESUS) GREATER THAN THE ONE WHO SENT HIM (GOD)."
IN LOGIC, the master and the slave cannot be ONE, and the one who is sent, and the one who sent him cannot be ONE. That only can happen when done by a philosophical work.
And after that you said, ** "Messenger Of God"!!!.
If you understand what the logic means, then you will understand that, "GOD AND HIS SON, 'THE SON OF GOD', AND THE MESSENGER ARE NOT ONE, AND THE SAME".
dattaswami , I know that your religion is built on philosophy, but do not use your philosophy to justify what came in the Islam or Christianity by comparing them to your religion. Islam Has one God who is in heaven, and Jesus has one and only God who is in heaven (the same God), but you have many gods and they are everywhere, even in the graveyard.
